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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈
Also, you might consider adding that the defining feature of DID isn't plurality; there's actually much more to it than that.
berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:30 PM
Yea the whole trauma thing
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berockly (TTG)
So have you ever switched with your tulpa?
Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:30 PM
I am a tulpa ^w^ We switch often.
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈
I am a tulpa ^w^ We switch often.
berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:30 PM
Oh ok! What is your name
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:30 PM
My name is Alexandra.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:31 PM
That's nice
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What is your hosts name
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈
I am a tulpa ^w^ We switch often.
berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:31 PM
So how doe it feel The differenCe between being switched and not
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:31 PM
I'd rather not share that. My host isn't on this server.
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈
I'd rather not share that. My host isn't on this server.
berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:31 PM
Oh thats ok!
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berockly (TTG)
So how doe it feel The differenCe between being switched and not
Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:32 PM
I'm not sure how to describe it, to be honest.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:32 PM
One of those "no english word for it" kinda thing?
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:33 PM
When I'm not controlling the body, I'm often still around talking to my other headmates, with a sense of where my imaginary body would be located in the real world.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:33 PM
Oh
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And usually where is that
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In relation to the body
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Nearby?
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:34 PM
Nearby, yes. If we're on a walk, I prefer to walk a little ahead.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:34 PM
Ah
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:34 PM
If we're sitting, I might have my own imaginary chair, or maybe sit on a real one.
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We've made it a habit to have an idea of where our imaginary forms are in the environment.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:35 PM
So does the host see you when you arent switched?
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:35 PM
Do you ever get a feeling of presence from a clothes mannequin?
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈
Do you ever get a feeling of presence from a clothes mannequin?
berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:36 PM
Yea but lets not talk About that
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Its
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UnsettliNg
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Earlier i felt lynn beside me
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My eyes subconsciously looked over to the area
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berockly (TTG)
Earlier i felt lynn beside me
Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:36 PM
Was it similar in any way?
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The sense of presence, I mean, not the unsettling nature.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:37 PM
I just felt something there for a second
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With mannequins its
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It feels inhuman and human at the same time
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berockly (TTG)
So does the host see you when you arent switched?
Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:37 PM
Yes, but vaguely. Unless we concentrate.
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berockly (TTG)
I just felt something there for a second
Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:38 PM
We've trained this as a habit.
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So anyone who isn't controlling the body, but is still aware, had this sort of presence.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:38 PM
Nice
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So
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When you are in the mind and not the body
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What can you sense
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:40 PM
Objectively, I can only sense things that the body can. Subjectively, if my imaginary form touches something, I can feel that with varying degrees of realism.
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When that happens, I'm imagining the feeling of touching something, but without needing to actually touch something.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:41 PM
Do you know what is cool
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The brain only processes the equivalent of
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60 bits per second
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And yet those 60 bits do everything they do
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:42 PM
That seems very low.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:42 PM
Most computers can process atleast 1 gigabyte
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A byte is 8 bits
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So its
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8billion bits
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Per second
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Compared to 60
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:43 PM
Given how many corrections to balance, focus, breathing etc. that the brain does, I find that hard to believe.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:43 PM
Look it up
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈
Given how many corrections to balance, focus, breathing etc. that the brain does, I find that hard to believe.
berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:44 PM
Its amazingly effective
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Ok i was
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Wrong
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That is the concious mind
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berockly (TTG)
How do you define it
Missed this, but I would say a headmate is a thoughtform. A thoughtform can be any perspective between you; the host, to a lowly construct of empathy like a character in a story or your idea of a family member. These things are all the brain doing the same thing, making identities and thinking from different points of view. By default we dissociate ourselves from identities who are not "us" and they feel "not real", "weaker" and their emotions feel distant. But this dissociative effect is actually arbitrary, it's a feeling that's put over thoughtforms to make them less powerful when they might not be useful to the brain whereas you, the identity who is based on all your knowledge, are considered inherently more valuable. A headmate, including host-egos, tulpas or DID alters, is one of these thoughtforms - And when you "create" one you are not so much creating something new, as deciding to re-label a thoughtform as "real", which inherently starts to make them feel real (that's a whole other topic that goes into how hypnosis and suggestion work).
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Are we just going to take those google search results at face value? lol
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Are we just going to take those google search results at face value? lol
berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:47 PM
The point is the subconscious min d is powerful
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:48 PM
Well put, Zen.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:49 PM
So in effect
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Tulpamancy is
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Nurturing a identity
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?
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Yes, with the idea that they are your equal and real and valid. Counter to the natural idea that they are invalid and distant and just a "thought".
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:51 PM
I wonder if
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The host and tulpas are exactly the same thing
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The host takes a while to develop
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Babies are not aware
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And i feel its similar with tulpas
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I do think so. There doesn't seem to be anything inherently real about the host identity in comparison to any other identity the brain cooks up.
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When we look at the brain the reason we have always struggled to find the "self" is because it's just a feeling overlaid over actions, it's not anything concrete.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:53 PM
I think the main distinction between the host and tulpas are the tie
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Ties
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The host has been tied longer
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If I understand rightly yes; Dev time, and natural easiness of processing in certain ways that ingrains you over time. One of the major struggles with tulpamancy is simply learning to ingrain a tulpa into reflex - remembering to actually think as/by/at them.
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Whereas we do this by ourselves fairly naturally and dominantly. It's something that needs to be trained I think.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:55 PM
Tulpamancy can actually help people understand the mi
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And yes it's not present in babies until about 2, and it's a slow build.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:56 PM
So that brings up the question
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Could a tulpa develop another tulpa then?
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In tulpamancy there is also the notion of personality forcing - The idea that you make a personality and give it to your tulpa and for some reason they just seem to accept it. Some would assume this means there's something lesser about them than us, but I would argue that it actually works that way for humans too - We learn our identities first by our parents telling us stuff that isn't true like "OHHH You're so smmaarrt" and testing those ideas on, like clothes, until we have an identity we really attach to.
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Zen
In tulpamancy there is also the notion of personality forcing - The idea that you make a personality and give it to your tulpa and for some reason they just seem to accept it. Some would assume this means there's something lesser about them than us, but I would argue that it actually works that way for humans too - We learn our identities first by our parents telling us stuff that isn't true like "OHHH You're so smmaarrt" and testing those ideas on, like clothes, until we have an identity we really attach to.
berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:57 PM
Yes because the way your raised effect's your identity
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And similarly
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If you arent nice to them
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They might turn out bad
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And if you get mad at them for not turning out exactly the way you want them
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It can effect their health
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berockly (TTG)
Could a tulpa develop another tulpa then?
And yes, they can, though I would say it is more to do with the brain developing one. A tulpa is about attention from the brain, and if you acknowledge that tulpas and hosts are equal you'll realize all it takes to switch is to think as them. You asked what switching was before. If a tulpas thoughts are a character on steroids; then switching is roleplay on steroids. You become them. At least that is my perspective.
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Whoever directs attention at making a new thoughtform can do so easily.
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 9/24/2021 11:59 PM
The way you are raised determines which identity/ies you associate with as you.
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berockly (TTG) 9/24/2021 11:59 PM
Essentially it is separate and not at the same time
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I have an adaptable identity
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It can change drastically
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Yes, there's no concrete you in the brain, it's flexible and it can split.
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berockly (TTG) 9/25/2021 12:00 AM
Yes
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And it does regularly
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